Hidden Fees in the Allianz 222
When was the last time you had a moment when something complex became crystal clear to you? It happened to me on Thursday morning when I found out about the hidden fees in the Allianz 222. I ran up against the Allianz 222 again and called a rep at a different company to get some clarification on a competing product. We talked about a lot of differences between the two contracts but one thing he said is something I had never realized before.
Allianz 222 and a wrong impression
It’s no secret that I never liked the product but until now there was nothing specifically wrong with it. Most of my aversion came because too many people bought it with the wrong impression of what it could do. For those who are suited for this annuity the contract just ends up being so-so. It will never be as great as the illustration makes it seem since growth potential is quite limited, but you will get guaranteed lifetime income even if you have to wait a long time to maximize it.
The catch
To understand the catch, first you have to know what an allocation charge is. This is a disclosed fee charged against the contract in exchange for higher growth potential. Athene, Nationwide, and several others use them regularly but I’ve always stayed away from them because it’s one way an index annuity can lose money. If the index returns zero and you are charged a fee for the allocation then you’ll go underwater for the year. It completely defeats the purpose of having a protected asset.
For too long I focused on the features vs. benefits of the Allianz 222 but didn’t go into the fine print because I refused to sell it years ago. So the rep informed me that Allianz does in fact have an allocation charge and he pointed me to the fine print at the bottom of the spec sheet. For convenience, it’s copied below:
Annual point-to-point and 2-year point-to-point crediting methods (Group A allocations) are subject to an allocation charge, deducted annually from the contract accumulation value and guaranteed minimum value (in most states). The current allocation charge percentage is 0%. After contract issue, the allocation charge percentage can only change when specified criteria are met, and can never be greater than the maximum allocation charge percentage of 2.5%.
Allianz 222 Spec Sheet Fine Print
You can see that it clearly starts at 0% and will never be higher than 2.5%, but when would they ever charge the fee? Well it states that the fee will only be charged when “specified criteria are met.” Your next question is the same as mine. What are those specified criteria?
Calling the expert
I don’t let things rest until I solve a problem so I had to call one person I know who owns it. I’d like to read the contract front to back so I can find how it’s disclosed but this person didn’t have immediate access to it so I’ll have to wait. The good thing is that she is an attorney so will be able to find and interpret the language very effectively. Based on what I’ve heard from others, one criterion relates to low treasury rates, with a specific level that is really low just like now. I’ve been told the other criteria seem more subjective and relate to poor conditions in the market or economy. When the answer comes I’ll update this post but for now, this is mostly speculation. Regardless, the fee is in there and it wouldn’t be if the company didn’t plan to use it if needed.
The reason behind it
Why would they do that? Obviously, because the contract as illustrated is not actuarially sound so the company needs another pricing lever to make sure liabilities don’t get out of control. I hate clichés, but ladies and gentlemen that’s the definition of a bait and switch. It’s in the contract that a buyer signs and an agent is supposed to disclose all contingencies. But I’m not surprised that those idiots who sell this contract don’t actually read a specimen before presenting it to someone. Anyone considering it now has a very specific question to ask the agent selling it.
I’ve convinced a lot of people to avoid this deal but several went ahead with it anyway, preferring instead to trust the guy who fed them a steak. Had I known this before then it would have been the equivalent of dropping an atomic bomb on that sales pitch. The best lessons are learned the hard way, of course. It’s just unfortunate when it happens with large sums of money. Here I talk about the Allianz annuity exodus.
This is something that makes all annuities look bad and in order to find a useful purpose for the good contracts, someone needs to speak up and tell the truth. Cue the person in my audience who asks how I know the contracts I recommend don’t do the same thing. Someone is going to read this and get defensive so if you have that question or any other comment then leave it below.
Best of luck out there…
Bryan
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Last Updated on August 26, 2024 by Bryan Anderson
I have had the Vanguard VA for many years and am very happy with it. They are transferring it to their underwriter, Trans-America. Are you aware of any VA’s as good as Vanguard’s?
Thanks,
Paul
Paul, I don’t spend much time with VAs but do know it’s more about the insurance company than the asset manager. Vanguard manages the funds so it’s cheap but there has to be an insurance company to back the annuity. Several companies have no-load VAs meant specifically for tax reduction that would have a similar low or no fee as the product you mentioned. Those are great contracts that work well in specific circumstances that I don’t see very often so I don’t spend a lot of time researching what’s available. I can do a quick search if you are interested so give me a call. I don’t sell the products but would be happy to assist if you need it.
Are there any annuity contracts with guaranteed lifetime income and some growth that you do like and recommend?
Yes there are several good contracts but I will always devote time to verifying the value of top selling annuities. It’s a valuable comparison tool for many trying to make good decisions.
Dude keep doing what your doing. You are helping a lot of people.
Thanks Jerry – you were one of the lucky ones who was able to avoid this product. If that salesman calls and bothers you any more you can throw this right back at him.
Thanks for all your help and knowledge over the years. It’s been fun to watch you grow into your role. I trusted you with my money then and I still do. Keep up the good work
Thanks Barney – it’s been a good ride and I appreciate the loyalty. If ever you need anything just give a call.
I have $100,000 IRA sitting in a money market making nothing. My advisor wants me to invest in ForethoughtLife Ins. (Fore Income II Single Premium Fixed Index Annuity) It offers a 10% simple interest bonus yearly until withdrawal, which I will do in 4 or 5 years since I am 69. It also has a cap on index fund yearly. I do have 2 smaller IRAs which I’m hoping to take RMD from. Is this a good investment??
Sharon – it depends on which Fore Income II you’re talking about. There are 12 different versions of it so the specific one will make a difference. Is your goal maximum income?
I did not receive an answer yet
Sharon
Sharon – this is not the best forum for asking specific questions about product selection. I responded to your comment above and also sent you an email. Since you are not a subscriber to my website then the email likely went to the spam folder. Call me if you’d like to talk about it or respond to me email and it will be easier to communicate.
I was seriously considering an Allianz 222 but now I am confused. The the product require that distributions be taken at some point. We want to just pass this money onto heirs but if the PVI is just an illustration or a real number our chart shows a $654,582 value in year 15 on a $100,000 investment.
You can just pass the money onto heirs but those returns look otherworldly. I’ve never seen an annuity come anywhere close to that so you have to compare hypothetical to the guaranteed minimum return to see how likely you feel those returns will be. Also, the death benefit has to be taken in five equal annual payments so there’s no guarantee that your heirs will elect to do that. Also, if the money is in an IRA then this is not the product for you because RMDs will make a dramatic difference in total return with loss of bonus on withdrawals. You need an advisor and it looks like your dealing with a salesman. Good luck!
https://annuitystraighttalk.com/annuity-death-benefits/
Are their fixed or fixed index annuities that are good vehicles for the purpose of leaving money to heirs?
https://annuitystraighttalk.com/annuities-for-inheritance/